29 March 2007

Shooting Fish In A Barrel

On Monday night (which I realize is now 3 days ago but recent news nonetheless), there occured a debate- The Great Debate, in fact- between athiest attorney Eddie Tabash of the Center for Inquiry, and Christian radio show host Todd Friel of The Way of the Master Radio. Due to the lack of sufficient facilities at Embry-Riddle following the tornado, it was held at Bethune-Cookman College, just down the street. The subject of debate was quite possibly the most argued concept in history: Does God exist?
It's not often that you get to see atheists willingly subject themselves to such public humiliation, especially in academic environments. In typical atheist style, Mr. Tabash argued his point by beating around the bush and attacking side issues. His best tactic seemed to be throwing out long lists of ambiguous and petty arguments, mostly pertaining to translation errors in the Bible, the Scientific Proof® of the age of the earth and the universe, the absence of his own personal Moral Justice® in the universe, and the lack of a Scientifically Proven® physiological process by which consciousness survives death in order to enter heaven or hell. Todd Friel of course did not have the time or expertise to respond to each of these points individually, a fact that Mr Tabash repeatedly mocked. On the defense, he handled difficult questions by following rabbit trails back to his own points, or simply replacing them with his own prepackaged questions. At one point, when asked to answer any one of a set of related questions about the development of complex organisms, Mr Tabash declared that he was "not obligated" to answer any of them, because they did not include a simpler, semi-related one for which he actually had an answer. When it came to the use of the Bible in the debate, he even went as far as comparing Todd to a schoolyard bully who played with a football but refused to let anyone else use it, a metaphor that seemed to serve no purpose but to emphasize his own desperation.
Again, these arguments were supposedly meant to refute the existence God, or any other supernatural power. He also took several opportunities to accuse Christians of "shooting an arrow into the wall and painting the bullseye around it." Oh, the irony.
Todd Friel, on the other hand, managed to provide solid philosophical, scientific, and historical arguments for the existence of a higher power, specifically the God of the Bible. In fact, he even had specific facts. Evidence such as common sense, basic principles of science, and human nature were presented to support his claims. While he also tended to go off slightly off topic, it was for the purpose of sharing the gospel with the audience, and not a desperate attempt to save face.
All in all, I would say the debate was very successful in its true purpose, which was the expose people to the truth and present the gospel. While I'm sure the Center for Inquiry is celebrating another easy victory over those primitive superstitious religionists, free-thinking people of the community have something to consider.

On a side note, several of us Riddle guys went to Steak & Shake afterwards, where our college pastor and a few others from our ministry showed up along with Todd Friel himself.

Comments:

Daniel said...

I find it fascinating how differently two people from opposing sides of an issue will see that issue represented. For instance, I considered Friel to be poor at formal debate, because he so often appealed to the fallacy of personal incredulity, the fallacy of arguing from ignorance (link), and generally came from an emotive, and not intellectual perspective.

After all, he commented that he wanted to "bypass the intellect" to appeal to the emotion/heart/conscience, and he quoted 1 Cor in which Paul basically admits that the gospel is foolishness. Given those two things, I have to conclude, "Friel lost the debate."

On your side of things, Friel won. We humans are funny, how our biases work -- both yours and mine. And is there a neutral vantage point? Is there anyone who can give untainted objective appraisals? No, not really.

Anyway, if you're interested, here is the debate on Google Video, I uploaded it myself: link.

Respectfully,
Daniel

jonathan said...

interesting. i think i've heard of this tabash dude before. in fact, i once watched a dvd of a debate he did a long time ago with another christian... your description of tabash taking rabbit trails and dodging the real issues while giving no substantial arguments was just like he was when i watched the taped debate